Curse

virtusdraco · Jul 16, 2007, 02:57 PM // 14:57

Our guild has been playing gvg ladder matches enough that I have a stack of over 150 tournament tokens that really serve no purpose for me. I just spend faction on them because I have nothing else to spend faction on (I've already unlocked everything on my account).

Our guild has been struggling in gvg at the bottom of a ladder, and competing in gvg automated tournaments is a pointless effort against guilds that hopelessly outclass ours in the current gvg metagame. I haven't gotten into hero battles or those tournaments either.

In the end, the tourny tokens are just something to spend faction on to avoid wasting it and just something else that takes up inventory space. If I manage to comlete a stack of 250, I will probably just end up trying to sell them (if there is even a market) or give them away, or just throw them away and start a new stack.

It would be nice to have something to do with them to have something to show for the 250k faction spent on a complete stack. Why not let the tournament NPC allow you to exchange 50 or 100 of them for a tournament reward point? Such a high exchange rate wouldn't cut into the tournament scene much which would still be the more lucrative for the high end gvg teams. This would give the lower end of the ladder something to do with the tokens to show for their time spent in gvg ladder battles (unlock a few pvp skins).

Edit: changed to use the correct term (tournament reward point)

william1975 · Jul 16, 2007, 04:01 PM // 16:01

Well i have just started a pile a few days ago, and im up to 50 already, cant GvG, and havent tried the HvH tournie yet, so i would like a better usage of them. or a better usage of faction points instead, at least Kurzick/Luxon gets you something

/signed for the use of tokens for something else or the Balth points alternatively

JeniM · Jul 16, 2007, 04:02 PM // 16:02

Why not?
/signed
I would personally like to see 1,000 faction exchangeable for a Flame of Balthazar so we can store more than 10k ready of GW:EN skills

Just Another Chest Runner · Jul 16, 2007, 04:10 PM // 16:10

/signed

I got 3 stacks in storage and am in no hurry to get more.

And too be honest, i'd rather trade 10k balth (not just 1k) for a flame of balthazar since at least they have monetary value (sell them for like 3k ea?)

Gargle Blaster · Jul 16, 2007, 04:19 PM // 16:19

/signed

i also have a stack going (and UAX) it would be nice if they could be used for somthing...

Frozy · Jul 16, 2007, 06:04 PM // 18:04

How about giving them a Merchant Value of 100g? Basically letting you convert Balthazar Faction into Gold.

Series · Jul 16, 2007, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by Frozy

How about giving them a Merchant Value of 100g? Basically letting you convert Balthazar Faction into Gold.

That is a nice idea.

However, unsigned on anything else.

People have been complaining for so long, since Balthazar Faction was introduced, that they wanted SOMETHING to spend it on, no matter how useless, just so that they could continue accumulating it even with UAX. Well, you got it. Congrats

genofreek · Jul 16, 2007, 11:17 PM // 23:17

Really? There's nothing to spend them on, and they can't be sold? How sad.

/signed

Series · Jul 16, 2007, 11:57 PM // 23:57

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Originally Posted by genofreek

Really? There's nothing to spend them on, and they can't be sold? How sad.

/signed

Nothing except... you know, ENTERING tournaments, which is their function *rolleyes*

virtusdraco · Jul 17, 2007, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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Originally Posted by Series

Nothing except... you know, ENTERING tournaments, which is their function *rolleyes*

Tournaments are great for the top ranked guilds. What about the rest of the guilds that like gvg and ladder battles that don't want to be farmed in tournaments by the top ranked guilds?

Series · Jul 17, 2007, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by virtusdraco

Tournaments are great for the top ranked guilds. What about the rest of the guilds that like gvg and ladder battles that don't want to be farmed in tournaments by the top ranked guilds?

1. Play to get better and improve yourself with experience in the tournament so you can compete. I am sure if you keep playing ladder battles even, you will improve eventually... I hope at least...

2. This is as if someone made a topic complaining that their orange dye can't dye armor black... orange dye has a purpose, dying stuff orange, and tournament tokens have a purpose, entering tournaments. Now, you might say "well this isn't true, because there are other uses for gold than buying orange dye but the only use for balthazar faction is unlocking stuff and buying tournament tokens" which would be legitimate if it weren't for the fact that this turns this topic into yet another "More uses for balthazar faction" topic (heck, maybe this was one of them all along...) and as it brings nothing new to the table, might as well be /closed. Now I know that analogy wasn't perfect, but perhaps a more precise one would be some whiny PvE'r elitist complaining that he has all the green weapons and 15k armors and he has nothing else worth spending gold on. You spent who knows how much on unlocking everything, now all that is left is tourney tokens, just as he spent who knows how much gold on a bunch of vanity items and now there is nothing left for him to spend gold on. A game isn't meant to last forever... you've reaped all the rewards, now you can either play for fun or find a game that has plenty of things to unlock (like WoW... you can grind forever in WoW and still not have the best stuff).

Skye Marin · Jul 17, 2007, 01:26 AM // 01:26

I think the real purpose of this thread is noting that there is nothing significant to spend Balthazar Faction on. We can only buy tournament tokens, but by participating in a tournament, you'll more than likely earn back the faction that you spent on the token.

If there is another use for the tokens, then that would make the UAX players happy. If you could trade in 3 or more for a Flame of Balthazar, that would be really great because there is always going to be a demand to buy faction, just like there is always going to be a demand for Elite Tomes.

PvE players would be interested in buying Faction so that they can buy PvE skills without having to reach a certain trainer, unlock skills for heroes, as well as use PvE tomes. Having a handful of Flames around is exceptionally useful for a group trying to assemble a specific build for PvP.

Series · Jul 17, 2007, 02:19 AM // 02:19

Skye, as I said, allowing the exchange of them for gold, or in your case, faction, would be fine with me. However, as this topic is yet another "More uses for balthazar faction" topic and as it brings nothing new to the table that couldn't be said in the several others, might as well be /closed.

And also, that wasn't the real purpose of the thread. You have a very legitimate point, participating in tournaments allows you to re-earn the faction, HOWEVER, the original poster basically said his guild was no good and can't play tournaments, so they don't have to worry about it and that was not what the purpose of the thread was.

And as I said in my last post, after a while there is nothing legitimate to spend gold on either. It's a game, blah blah blah, I don't feel like typing all that out again. However, one thing I forgot:

Balthazar faction exists for the SOLE PURPOSE of allowing you to earn PvP skills without playing any PvE. Originally, balthazar faction did NOT exist and was brought into existence because PvP players didn't want to have to play PvE to unlock stuff. If you have UAX, the faction has served it's purpose. It wasn't meant to be some sort of reward agent, just a way to unlock everything. When you have UAX, play for fun- or titles if you can't live without grind- or just stop playing... the faction has served it's purpose, so reap the reward (UAX)

Snype · Jul 17, 2007, 04:54 AM // 04:54

The fact is that even if a person does play a full tournament, they end up earning MORE then the 1000 faction that they spent to play in the tourney in the first place! So what are we supposed to do with all of this extra faction and tokens?

Series · Jul 17, 2007, 04:58 AM // 04:58

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Originally Posted by Snype

The fact is that even if a person does play a full tournament, they end up earning MORE then the 1000 faction that they spent to play in the tourney in the first place! So what are we supposed to do with all of this extra faction and tokens?

Nothing. You unlocked everything in the game, the faction served its purpose.

tork · Jul 17, 2007, 07:59 AM // 07:59

well u can enjoy the fact that u are uax but why not have an extension to it? why does the pvp rewards have to end when u go uax...theres no reason why it shouldnt

im not saying that it should be exchangeable for things which are worth gold, but tourny tokens for reward points is an excellent idea.
u dont have to be winning tournys to unlock the cool skins on pvp chars u just have to win in pvp in general... the more u do the better u look (like pve)

pvp rewards can go alot further than just the enlightenment of becoming uax..........

/signed

Yawgmoth · Jul 17, 2007, 03:12 PM // 15:12

/signed

Obviously something must be done about them. Or just about the useless faction.

Give me a use for my 4 stacks of tokens, they just keep coming and are so useless they're not worth the storage slot they take.

I'll add my old idea here - Make it possible to exchange a stack of 250 tokens for 1 Celestial Sigil - a way for PvP guilds that do not HoH or farm to change guild halls from time to time.

Div · Jul 17, 2007, 03:17 PM // 15:17

I like changing it for reward points for pvp skins. Can't do many of the tourney times unfortunately...

pigdestroyer · Jul 17, 2007, 06:18 PM // 18:18

/signed

4 stacks is ftl, we need something worthy to spend our faction on.... maybe trade 2 tournament tokens for 1 reward point, that would be nice.

Snype · Jul 17, 2007, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by Series

Nothing. You unlocked everything in the game, the faction served its purpose.

So I guess Anet just wants me to pack up the game and never play again. Whats the use anyway if there is nothing left to unlock, buy, or gain?

You'll know how we feel when you actually do enough PvP to realize how useless faction is to us at the moment.